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cormac ap dunn · May 30, 2010, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I wasn't there, I have no way of knowing what happened, but this is exactly what happened.
Sorry to use your quote, but these threads are running rampant with people making assurances and statements of fact that they are entirely unqualified to make.

Best reason yet to close yet another QQ thread, from both sides. I'd love to see one of these threads not degenerate into a name calling tussle about who is right or wrong, we all know the facts. Those that were banned get nothing from this site in the way of unbanning or helping their situation, those that dislike those that were banned get nothing by abusing them publicly except shame at RAWR behavior later on.

-Swifft- · May 31, 2010, 12:11 AM // 00:11

All of these posts in all of these topics, whether pro-ban or anti-ban, have gotten way too complicated. Needlessly.
Y'all are forgetting one simple thing: Guild Wars belongs to ANet. If they don't want you playing their game, you don't play their game.
When you bought Guild Wars, you said, "Hey, I'll give you $50 to play your game".
ANet said, "Alright then. You can play my game."
You mindlessly installed it, and then clicked on the I Agree button at the bottom of the EULA.
Then, you played for a while and decided to load up a bot, or a script, or whatever else, for X amount of time. Afterwards, you got banned sometime in the near or distant future.
Now, you're complaining that you weren't warned first, or that you only did it for a little while, or that you were just curious... or because of the other limitless excuses you can come up with.
Guess what? The EULA doesn't say they have to warn you about anything. It doesn't say they have "lesser" punishments for "lesser" offences. It doesn't say you get a slap on the wrist for being curious.
It says that at any point in time whatsoever, for any reason, or for no reason at all, they can terminate your account. Period. You have no entitlements. You deserve nothing in or from this game. It's their property.
If you think that's unfair, you shouldn't be whining about it now. You should have put the game back on the shelf and walked away before you bought it.

Lithril Ashwalker · May 31, 2010, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Danny Used Frenzy

As a botter who was banned, anyone who botted and was banned and is now complaining is someone I'd rather not associate with. We knew the risks and consequences, and it was fun while it lasted.
Now it's time to move on, restock our account stockpiles with the ectos on the accounts that ANet somehow missed, and relax.

That said, in the days since the banscythe, ANet hasn't shown any increased ability to detect non-injected bots, namely interface-based bots.

so what your saying is "haha didn't ban one of my other accounts" u just set yourself up if an anet employee was to take time to find your address your screwed

shoyon456 · May 31, 2010, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Danny Used Frenzy

As a botter who was banned, anyone who botted and was banned and is now complaining is someone I'd rather not associate with. We knew the risks and consequences, and it was fun while it lasted.
Now it's time to move on, restock our account stockpiles with the ectos on the accounts that ANet somehow missed, and relax.

That said, in the days since the banscythe, ANet hasn't shown any increased ability to detect non-injected bots, namely interface-based bots.

Someone please find this guy and ban him please.

As evidenced, the people who botted didn't do it for entertainment, they did it because they wanted to take the easy way and STILL want to take the easy way. They didn't learn a damn thing. Anet should just ban any new accounts bought with a credit card connected to a bot-banned account. Keep these people out of the game because they're never gonna go straight.

fenix · May 31, 2010, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Wow. Stop going off topic, or you'll all suffer my wrath.

Ka Tet · May 31, 2010, 02:37 AM // 02:37

I sorta thought Danny made a legit point in the post that was deleted. I mean it's your forum you can delete anything you want or whatever.
But it would seem salient for people to consider what they know about the company based on the company's past performance when assessing the current situation. As a litmus test, the success or failure of people working in different departments of a company may not give a perfect representation of the company's competencies. However, it may tell you something about the quality of product and service they can provide based on the quality of personnel they attract.
Just my two cents.

Mireles · May 31, 2010, 03:15 AM // 03:15

I think it is entirely to early for this petition, there was alot of assumptions made by OP on the capability, processes, and reasoning of detection when there is no official information on these.

I'm all for eliminating real world transactions...they did take a step in the right direction not but a few days ago...so lets at least give them more than a few days before we get up in arms with our "petitions"? if that is what this can be called.

cormac ap dunn · May 31, 2010, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Mireles

I think it is entirely to early for this petition, there was alot of assumptions made by OP on the capability, processes, and reasoning of detection when there is no official information on these.

I'm all for eliminating real world transactions...they did take a step in the right direction not but a few days ago...so lets at least give them more than a few days before we get up in arms with our "petitions"? if that is what this can be called.

I think most can fairly assume the OP is trying to make a point rather then be serious with this "petition". All it really seems to be about is his way to rant about the company that rightfully banned his accounts. The same people doing QQ on what seems like every other thread about what happened Wednesday are regurgitating how they feel Anet and NCsoft are in the wrong for banning them. I feel pretty safe in assuming that he, along with any others that went down for botting won't be getting those accounts back, so to ask a petition to burn the others who didn't get it in this volley seems juvenile to say the least. As for the "petition" portion of all this , Not seeing a whole lot of /Sign so we can also assume the community is inclined to say this is a bad idea, not sure how many pages of /notsign is needed before this is a fail thread, but methinks its coming close.

Motoko · May 31, 2010, 03:38 AM // 03:38

As much as people say that the OP did bot... As much as that may or may not be true:

An unbiased opinion would show that alot of his points do have merit.

You won't get an official response because obviously ANet has refused to give any important information pertaining to the issue of detection.

But if the mentioned older programs are still running at large, I would find his post to be very accurate in their detection methods and the unfortunate misbans that occured.

Ka Tet · May 31, 2010, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I think most can fairly assume the OP is trying to make a point rather then be serious with this "petition". All it really seems to be about is his way to rant about the company that rightfully banned his accounts. The same people doing QQ on what seems like every other thread about what happened Wednesday are regurgitating how they feel Anet and NCsoft are in the wrong for banning them. I feel pretty safe in assuming that he, along with any others that went down for botting won't be getting those accounts back, so to ask a petition to burn the others who didn't get it in this volley seems juvenile to say the least. As for the "petition" portion of all this , Not seeing a whole lot of /Sign so we can also assume the community is inclined to say this is a bad idea, not sure how many pages of /notsign is needed before this is a fail thread, but methinks its coming close.

I think most can fairly assume the OP was being serious with this "petition". However, it was co-opted by the juvenile witch hunters who seem to think every post/idea they don't agree with stems from hostile banned botters.

Bedevere: Why do you think that she is a witch?
Peasant: Well, she turned me into a newt.
Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant: Well, I got better.
Peasant Crowd: Burn her anyway!

cormac ap dunn · May 31, 2010, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I think most can fairly assume the OP was being serious with this "petition". However, it was co-opted by the juvenile witch hunters who seem to think every post/idea they don't agree with stems from hostile banned botters.

Bedevere: Why do you think that she is a witch?
Peasant: Well, she turned me into a newt.
Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant: Well, I got better.
Peasant Crowd: Burn her anyway!

Well, I hunted no one, but Anet did

so perhaps those witches have been burned (the irony of Dhuum scorching the banned is not lost

) and judging from that response to me, Juvenile seems to fit the build on both sides of the topic. However, this is a Petition thread, and thus far, not a lot of signed. where does that leave the thread?

FoxBat · May 31, 2010, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

People who set up bot accounts within a week or so of the mass ban were not banned, as were people who only botted prior to mid Fburary/early March. From this, piecing together the puzzle was a simple task, and one I did with multiple people who were familiar with botting.

You're arguing with someone who reads the executable code, not making second-guesses about what some dormant data file might do. It's perfectly possible for example that an irregularity in communication let them track the popular injecting bots from server statistics. It's also possible they have a client-side tracking mechanism that has nothing to do with anything in the .dat. You may not be a liar so much as jumping to false conclusions and not doing your homework, but you'd still be wrong.

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by Kiky

There's only one explanation for this MARKETING.

Uh.... no, you're just plain wrong. The reason for this is because those players were CHEATING. I don't even see how you can possibly come to this inane conclusion. This is akin to me saying the purpose of imprisoning a murderer is to give the prison systems money... WHAT? They cheated, they got banned. Lemming is a smart man btw, and he knows why his main got banned. Don't bring him into this.

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How many of you bashing all the people who got banned right now also participated in the Duncan exploit, or RR, or run speed books?

I didn't. I think I'll continue to make fun of cheaters for being banned forever, and still not be a hypocrite. LOL

Mangione · May 31, 2010, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

Those high-end, respected, players who never had a black mark and who have been around for 5 years are exactly the ones who should have known better than everyone else. They are the ones who should have set the example of honesty. If you've been around for 5 years than you know better than anyone else that botting, even for a second, is not permitted and you're risking a permenant ban. They should have been the ones telling others to stop botting. They should have been the ones on the side of solving the issue instead of contributing to it.

/thread.

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Originally Posted by Kiky

What can the high-end players do if a public bot is being overused in which game the admins don't do anything and let the problem be widespread?
I know the answer, high-end players MUST learn to play against bots therefore some of them should try it cause its the best way of making a tactic against them.

Is GW the only game the "high end players" can play?
When I saw too many bots around I simply went away from the game. I came back for the 5th anniversary, just for curiosity, and I still did not engage in any PvP due to bots running around.

If they were so great, they would have kept their accounts at a safe distance from bots. There are no excuses for using a bot. "... wanted to try it... didn't want to grind unnecessary stuff (but still wanted the rewards)... they needed the cash (for what?), and all sorts of lameness.

BOTTERS AREN'T VICTIMS. They decide to run a bot, they install it, they use it. It is their responsibility.
It is a videogame: they cheat ---> they are caught ---> they are kicked out.
It is not Anet's fault. It is not other people's fault.

And... NO. High end players that got banned were not "learning to use the tools to fight against them". It is just another lame excuse. If you go to one of the botters forums you will read about people that got tens of accounts banned and many of them had farmed the HA title, or had farmed thousand of ectos. Again, on multiple accounts.

I want to see RMT botters and other exploiters banned ASAP. They are equal to the ones banned with the 3700. And I hope Anet will clear the game.

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How many of you bashing all the people who got banned right now also participated in the Duncan exploit, or RR, or run speed books?

I didn't participate in any of them, and the same can be said of my RL friends who play GW. You are welcome to check my posting history here on guru, and you will find several posts where I asked for a ban for those involved in such actions.
I didn't participate, no matter how many of the GW population were doing it or how widespread it was. It was still against the rules.

Ghost Dog · May 31, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10

You know it all boils down to this being a roleplaying game regardless if you chose to play a role or not, it's a simulated life.

You cross the line in real life and get killed there's no petition, you cross the line in this imaginary world and you're killed, so you petition?

Way to break character noob.

Mort Mythoryk · May 31, 2010, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Wow so many people QQ and rage about bots. Bots have been around since the 55 days of of prophecies kids... get over it... Bots will be around just like you and your rabid thirst for speed clears.... this game is driven to gimmicky nonsense...
Who cares?

PvP:
Kids who cry about rupty... are bad players anyway... rupty was meta for over a month.... no one ran straight melee.... and those rare teams that did (kitkat, exile) actually beat us... it's using your brain retards.. QQ more and go play Aion... You can pvp your little heart away against monsters and people with wings!!! But seriously... go do something else....

Everyone's acting like we locked up criminals.... I botted because I already had gwamm, I already had high rank, I already had money... who cares... what's the difference? It doesn't matter... It actually got to a point that running rupty and watching little kids RAGE their little lives away was more fun that actually playing GW.... GW is dead... there's nothing to do anymore... If A-net really wants to take care of the bot problem.... give the players something to do... then it'll just go back to the small companies in india trying to sell GW gold for RL money...

/signed X 500 if I had to...

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Wow so many people QQ and rage about bots. Bots have been around since the 55 days of of prophecies kids... get over it... Bots will be around just like you and your rabid thirst for speed clears.... this game is driven to gimmicky nonsense...
Who cares?

PvP:
Kids who cry about rupty... are bad players anyway... rupty was meta for over a month.... no one ran straight melee.... and those rare teams that did (kitkat, exile) actually beat us... it's using your brain retards.. QQ more and go play Aion... You can pvp your little heart away against monsters and people with wings!!! But seriously... go do something else....

Everyone's acting like we locked up criminals.... I botted because I already had gwamm, I already had high rank, I already had money... who cares... what's the difference? It doesn't matter... It actually got to a point that running rupty and watching little kids RAGE their little lives away was more fun that actually playing GW.... GW is dead... there's nothing to do anymore... If A-net really wants to take care of the bot problem.... give the players something to do... then it'll just go back to the small companies in india trying to sell GW gold for RL money...

/signed X 500 if I had to...

So you're a cheater? You know, Intel and AMD are working on methods for locking down a CPU's physical processing capability if specific cheats are used. When this becomes reality, I certainly hope you have the same views, I really do.

Cheating is cheating is cheating is cheating is cheating is cheating is cheating is cheating. See? Doesn't change no matter how many times you say it.

Your logic is flawed and actually, just plain stupid. There isn't anything to do, so cheat? How about.... "I'm out of things to do, I'll go play another game or go find a new avenue of enjoyment in my life" instead of "There's nothing to do, so I'll harass those that still enjoy the game for 'fun' because I'm an asshole."

You weren't a high end player, you were a loser. The truly good players don't grief others and act like this. They are respectful, helpful, and humble in their skill. Yeh... bye bye to you.

Mangione · May 31, 2010, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

stuff... QQ QQ
other stuff... go play Aion
QQQQ

it's using your brain retards..

QQ

Everyone's acting like we locked up criminals.... I botted because I already had gwamm, I already had high rank, I already had money... who cares... what's the difference? It doesn't matter... It actually got to a point that running rupty and watching little kids RAGE their little lives away was more fun that actually playing GW.... GW is dead... there's nothing to do anymore...

So spoke the botter who opened an epic QQ/Rage Thread on how he was banned.

You were not only a botter, you were a griefer too.
Is this the kind of "high end/good/best players" that we lost in the ban? And how is this a bad thing?
To use the words with which you addressed other people here, guess who is the "retard", who didn't "use the brain" and who is "raging his little life away".

As I said in your QQ/Rage thread, after 5000+ hours/5 years, which game is still fresh? Can you name one please?
I even told you that if you are bored of a game and don't enjoy it anymore, the natural evolution is that you move to something else, instead of trying to disrupt the game for those who still enjoy it.
(maybe you didn't see those parts because your eyes were blinded by rage? QQ)

GW may be dead for you. I logged in this morning and still had some fun.
Enjoy your ban.

StormX · May 31, 2010, 10:17 AM // 10:17

Exactly, you already had GWAMM and achieved all ingame goals, so you had no excuse to bot, unlike those who have been claiming that they did it to reduced grind. Yet you decided to be immature and grief other players. I'm sure those who were on the receiving end of your interrupts will count it no great loss. Now you get to rage at them while they laugh at you

Kiky · May 31, 2010, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Lemming is a smart man btw, and he knows why his main got banned. Don't bring him into this.

I have no intention in bringing him into this idc about him. Btw most of us know why he got ban. /end

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Originally Posted by -Swifft-

You deserve nothing in or from this game. It's their property.

We all know this, this is why gold sellers should get harser punishment than someone who botter 2 hours at all out of his 7k+ hours gameplay while the RMT-s with their hacked account has 100% of botting time. But in reality goldsellers are indeed smarter than "the new ultimate group" of anet that they have hired.

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Originally Posted by Mangione

/thread.

Is GW the only game the "high end players" can play?
When I saw too many bots around I simply went away from the game. I came back for the 5th anniversary, just for curiosity, and I still did not engage in any PvP due to bots running around.

And do u think players that actually care about the game and enjoy it, will simply stop?

Botting in gw is obviously not anet's fault but when they do nothing absolutely nothing about botting for more than 6 months, well then its clearly their fault. What can the players do besides /report which most likely are ignored.